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jack welch does not believe the boys in chicago changed the numbers? >> no, jack welch is raising the question for some good analyst to go look at. >> okay. good. you're raising the question. you certainly did that. jack welch, thank you for joining us at the very top of "hardball" tonight. >> thank you. >> with me not to fight with jack but to have a different point of view is jared bernstein, former chief economist and economic adviser to vice president biden. you heard that discussion. i like jack. i'm fond of the guy. jack welch has raised the question, but it was obviously his business instinct and his attitude i think towards this president that came together at 8:35 and he tweeted out this, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. i'll go back to what i heard ezra klein say in the room, that a 0.3 of 1% shift in the unemployment rate is not wild. it's very conceivable. your thoughts. >> that's absolutely true. i mean, what i just heard from jack welch was about -- with respect i gue
jack welch does not believe the boys in chicago changed the numbers? >> no, jack welch is raising the question for some good analyst to go look at. >> okay. good. you're raising the question. you certainly did that. jack welch, thank you for joining us at the very top of "hardball" tonight. >> thank you. >> with me not to fight with jack but to have a different point of view is jared bernstein, former chief economist and economic adviser to vice president...
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look, i'm friends with jack welch and i tweeted him back. i said jack, look, i love you, but on this one you've flat out lost your mind. there's an iron clad fire wall with criminal penalties for anybody at the bls to have any kind of political interference or to release any of the numbers early. it's totally impossible to do that. you've seen all the reputable republicans that have worked with the bureau of labor statistics in the past. come on, say, look, come on, you've got to be kidding on this thing. i kind of think they were kidding. i hope they were kidding. i mean, there's absolutely no evidence of political changing the numbers. and, if somebody were changing the numbers, why would you make the numbers last month worse than expected? why would you make the pay roll numbers at 114,000 not especially impressive. it just doesn't make any sense. >> all right. austan. thanks very much for coming in. >> great to see you again, wolf. >>> president obama wasn't the only one whose debate performance w performance was criticized. the wheels o
look, i'm friends with jack welch and i tweeted him back. i said jack, look, i love you, but on this one you've flat out lost your mind. there's an iron clad fire wall with criminal penalties for anybody at the bls to have any kind of political interference or to release any of the numbers early. it's totally impossible to do that. you've seen all the reputable republicans that have worked with the bureau of labor statistics in the past. come on, say, look, come on, you've got to be kidding on...
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you have jack welch who euned to own nbc, the majority owner. he said this is unbelievable. the chicago guys will do anything to change the numbers. let's take a look at welch mareking his roumts and some at fox news picking up on the idea that they can't be trusted. >> look. i don't know what the right number is, but i'll tell you these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> there is widespread mistrust because there are contradictions. >> some report there are numbers that will come out on the eve of the election. >> you know, these are volatile figures and sometimes have to be revised. but to go and charge that the administration had manipulated this for political gain, don't you need some evidence for that? >> think it's unfortunate that jack welch who has this storied business career now appears to be stark raving mad in the donald trump category and i think this reaction is what it should have been even from a lot of people on the right and said, now, come on, you can argue about certain things but if they wanted to cook the b
you have jack welch who euned to own nbc, the majority owner. he said this is unbelievable. the chicago guys will do anything to change the numbers. let's take a look at welch mareking his roumts and some at fox news picking up on the idea that they can't be trusted. >> look. i don't know what the right number is, but i'll tell you these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> there is widespread mistrust because there are contradictions....
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jack welch, the former chairman of ge said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. steve forbes follows up and says welch is right. does governor romney put any stock in those theories and have any suspicions at all about the bls numbers? >> george, the numbers themselves are very damning. when you look at it, we had fewer jobs created in september than were created in august, fewer jobs created in august than were created in july. our unemployment rate has come down because for -- since president obama took office for every new job created more than six workers have left the labor force. if labor force participation was what it was when the president took office, unemployment would be around 10.7%. these jobs that were added in september were largely part-time jobs. so we still have 23 million american, that number has not changed at all, would are either unemployed or out of work entirely or are underemployed working or out of the workforce entirely or underemployed working part time instead of f
jack welch, the former chairman of ge said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. steve forbes follows up and says welch is right. does governor romney put any stock in those theories and have any suspicions at all about the bls numbers? >> george, the numbers themselves are very damning. when you look at it, we had fewer jobs created in september than were created in august, fewer jobs created in august than were created in july....
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jack welch made a lot of headlines with a tweet that said, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers without any substantiation. he was on "hardball" with chris matthews and this is how he explained it. >> i've reviewed 14 businesses this week. from restaurants to widgets. i have seen everybody with a third quarter equal to or weaker than the first quarter. in order to get 873,000 new jobs, you would have to have a g.d.p. going at 4% to 5%. the second quarter was downgraded from 1.7% to 1.3%. the third quarter is not going to be very strong. it just defies the imagination to have a surge larger than any surge since 1983 a month before the election. i leave it to you to do all the analysis. >> one of the most important ceos in america. formerly of general electric. does this ring true? >> well, it rings true to me. since it's a survey, is this outside of the statistical bounds of their survey, which is plausible but irrelevant. but you have a president who says last budget got zero votes in the last senate. z
jack welch made a lot of headlines with a tweet that said, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers without any substantiation. he was on "hardball" with chris matthews and this is how he explained it. >> i've reviewed 14 businesses this week. from restaurants to widgets. i have seen everybody with a third quarter equal to or weaker than the first quarter. in order to get 873,000 new jobs, you would have to have a...
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so you have a president of the united states so deeply distrusted, by people like jack welch, who is hardly a right winger. welch is one of the most successful businessman in america. welch instantly assumes this is the chicago machine. it's worth looking at. >> this has been, this is really making me crazy. the federal reserve gets questioned now for politics these days. the supreme court and john roberts gets questioned. we have corroded what we're doing. we are corroding trust in our government in a way, and one time responsible people are doing, to control it. and the idea that donald trump and jack welch, rich people with crazy conspiracies can get traction on this. is a bad, is a bad trend. >> i assume david there's a number of people that believe the real unemployment report is somewhere in a safe in nairobi with the president's kenyan birth certificate. this stuff is absolutely crazy. the notion quite frankly that somebody as well respected as jack welch would go on television and single-handedly embarrass himself for the entire day of friday, by saying somehow that these sta
so you have a president of the united states so deeply distrusted, by people like jack welch, who is hardly a right winger. welch is one of the most successful businessman in america. welch instantly assumes this is the chicago machine. it's worth looking at. >> this has been, this is really making me crazy. the federal reserve gets questioned now for politics these days. the supreme court and john roberts gets questioned. we have corroded what we're doing. we are corroding trust in our...
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you are jack welch. you got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to accepted a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but the actually throw out an accusation, that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark, at the back of it. let's face it. but the facts are no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. >> yes. >> not one of them had a number below 8.1. >>> tomorrow, three suspected terrorists are expected to make their first court appearance in new york. they were extradited from britain overnight after a legal battle that lasted more than ten years. one suspect has a hook for a hand and has called osama bin laden a hero. the radical cler iic is wanted r several crimes commit against the united nations the
you are jack welch. you got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to accepted a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but the actually throw out an accusation, that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark, at the back of it. let's face it. but the facts are no matter how you want to look at...
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former chairman jack welch is skeptical. meaning that employers added a modest 114,000 jobs and the drop comes at a critical time for the president who is coming off a weak debate performance with romney. joining us is new york times best selling author out with the latest book. ann coulter. at this point in time the president said we will be at 5.6 and enjoying that part of the economy and a more comfortable position and now they are running with this new number. what is your response. >> it is noticeable that a lot of economist are saying this is not possible. you would need more than 114,000 jobbings. i don't think it matters except to broadcasting tv shows or writing for newspaper what number they throw up on the screen. people know they are out of work and in jobs and they are way overqualified for and working part-time. so many people are going out of business and under working now. 23 million unemployed difference does it make? >> the numbers simply write away the 211,000,000 people stopping to look for people. >> oh,
former chairman jack welch is skeptical. meaning that employers added a modest 114,000 jobs and the drop comes at a critical time for the president who is coming off a weak debate performance with romney. joining us is new york times best selling author out with the latest book. ann coulter. at this point in time the president said we will be at 5.6 and enjoying that part of the economy and a more comfortable position and now they are running with this new number. what is your response....
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welch, jack welch needs to be out there helping the country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people, re-tweeting what he has said. i think there are questions to be asked about the methods, pay take pla -- attention to the survey, the hours worked, that is what touches people. to say something like this is like donald trump, saying that president obama is not a citizen, without any proof. you are jack welch, take this opportunity while people are listening to you, i'm taking the tweet back, i exaggerated, there are problems, that is like asking the governor, how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had the question mark on the back of it. let's face it, the fact is, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them did have a number below 8.1. >> all right, jack welch there, and the next number is due out in just four days before the election. >>> all right, would you believe that a 220 pound teacher is suing, because he said a 60 pound student beat him up. our
welch, jack welch needs to be out there helping the country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people, re-tweeting what he has said. i think there are questions to be asked about the methods, pay take pla -- attention to the survey, the hours worked, that is what touches people. to say something like this is like donald trump, saying that president obama is not a citizen, without any proof. you are jack welch, take this opportunity while people are listening to you, i'm taking...
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some called it an anomaly and former ceo jack welch says these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers. >> and who is participating, who's not working and who's tried to work, but dropped out. all of these things. it just raises the question, and i think there ought to be a good discussion how this number is calculated. >> labor secretary hilda so least angrily denied the unemployment figure was fudged calling the allegation offensive and republican challenger mitt romney said of the jobs number, this is not what a real recovery looks like. and romney was also campaigning in virginia, running mate paul ryan said of the number of jobs created said we shouldn't have to settle for this new normal. reprizing one of the convention themes that americans deserve better than mr. obama has delivered. critics seized on another line in mr. obama's virginia speech in which he denied believing in an entitlement society which he doesn't believe people are entitled to succeed. aides suggest the opposite. >> we don't believe that anybody is ensilenttitled to sus in this country. we b
some called it an anomaly and former ceo jack welch says these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers. >> and who is participating, who's not working and who's tried to work, but dropped out. all of these things. it just raises the question, and i think there ought to be a good discussion how this number is calculated. >> labor secretary hilda so least angrily denied the unemployment figure was fudged calling the allegation offensive and republican challenger...
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jack welch went further obviously the former ceo of g.e. and he said unbelievable jobs numbers. the these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. set person who suggested something fishy was going on. >> and of course our own lou dobbs has said no the bureau of labor statistics is insulated entity and peter morris is i on our show a short time ago said no, this isn't the case that they would never cook the books for a white house. that's not something they would do. they are economists and statisticians and there might be anomaly in the numbers. here was jack welch yesterday talking to cavuto and he said something smells funny here, listen. >> these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. every economist this morning predicted roughly 90 to 120,000 and 8.2 unemployment came out very favorably just one tenth of a point below when the president took office. >> well, it's funny when people manipulate numbers back and forth on both sides. i always think about the 23 million people who don't have a job and you guy
jack welch went further obviously the former ceo of g.e. and he said unbelievable jobs numbers. the these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. set person who suggested something fishy was going on. >> and of course our own lou dobbs has said no the bureau of labor statistics is insulated entity and peter morris is i on our show a short time ago said no, this isn't the case that they would never cook the books for a white house. that's not something they...
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>> forget what jack welch said. i'm talking about people who are trying to say that perhaps people have given up. and if you look into the numbers of the bureau of labor and statistics put out, the number of people who are discouraged and have given up has gone down in the past year by 235,000. and in the past four years, by over 400,000. that number is being skewed out there by those who want to say that the job numbers aren't what they appear to be. long-term unemployment is still very, very high, but those people are still looking. >> the u-6 number for those cognizant. >> coming up -- >> you're right. republicans are in the dumps. you're right. >> no, they're trying to pretend the numbers that they depend on when they're good in their camp. >> you can't have it all. >> are skewed. >> i don't know. if it continues this way, i think republicans can have it all. >> they're not. not going to have it all. >> coming up -- i'm so excited for what's happening later in the show. we're going to talk to chicago mayor rahm
>> forget what jack welch said. i'm talking about people who are trying to say that perhaps people have given up. and if you look into the numbers of the bureau of labor and statistics put out, the number of people who are discouraged and have given up has gone down in the past year by 235,000. and in the past four years, by over 400,000. that number is being skewed out there by those who want to say that the job numbers aren't what they appear to be. long-term unemployment is still very,...
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if you believe jack welch, the former ceo of general electric, he said the chicago guys would do anything, accusing them of tampering with the numbers. the obama bipartisans feel this was a bare yes they needed to break, the 8%. there will be a report november 2nd, right before the election and we'll see what that report says. >> looking ahead this week, vice president joe biden and paul ryan debate. the stakes are higher. how do you expect them to do? >> there's a local factor to this, a congressman from montgomery county and parts of other places is playing paul ryan who he served with on the budget committee. ted olsen, a washington lawyer, former solicitor general is playing joe biden. you're right, there's going to be more attention now because this is the whole ticket. ryan is really not tested on a national stage. joe biden has been around forever, it seems. he has a reputation for sometimes saying the wrong thing. you saw in the package where he made the statement, the middle class has been buried. so i don't know which way this is going to go. but ryan, again, benefits from proba
if you believe jack welch, the former ceo of general electric, he said the chicago guys would do anything, accusing them of tampering with the numbers. the obama bipartisans feel this was a bare yes they needed to break, the 8%. there will be a report november 2nd, right before the election and we'll see what that report says. >> looking ahead this week, vice president joe biden and paul ryan debate. the stakes are higher. how do you expect them to do? >> there's a local factor to...
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doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is participating, who is not working, who is trying for work, who has dropped out. it just begs the question. i think there ought to be a good discussion how this number is calculated. >>reporter: most analysts and the obama campaign are dismanage the criticisms as "without evidence." >> we wonder why institutions in this country are, the perception of institutions are failing, because people go on tv and make sufficient h stuff -- make stuff up. >> they had full charge of the first two years and the policies this president put into place actually made it worse, including the fact that obamacare is ta
doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is...
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. >> peter: and interesting 7.8% number, economists and jack welch, where did this come from, the raw numbers put out and a disconnect. >> clayton: we have to look the at revised numbers a few months later and maybe find out in december what the true number was or were in september. but we have new numbers out of ohio. the all important battle ground state of ohio where president obama has been leading significantly there. in recent polls, well not significantly, but 5 or 4 points accord to go what karl rove was talking about, 49-50%. and looking at virginia, and there mitt romney has pulled ahead of president obama 49-48% within the mar begin of error, but definitely experiencing a debate bounce. and speaking of which, let's talk about the money they have been able to raise because this plays into how people are feeling after the debate as well. in just the 48 hours since the debate, mitt romney has been able to raise 12 million dollars online and just staggering numbers. >> peter: at the same time, the president announced that they raised 181 million dollars in september, about 1.8
. >> peter: and interesting 7.8% number, economists and jack welch, where did this come from, the raw numbers put out and a disconnect. >> clayton: we have to look the at revised numbers a few months later and maybe find out in december what the true number was or were in september. but we have new numbers out of ohio. the all important battle ground state of ohio where president obama has been leading significantly there. in recent polls, well not significantly, but 5 or 4 points...
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>> i think the jack welch stuff was crazy talk. and earlier in the year when you guys were down in washington on this, joe and i talked about it, there were between points that i would make. one, nobody messes or manipulates these numbers. but, took i think we exaggerate the importance of the numbers for this reason. the people who will vote on november the 6th know what they feel about the economy already. they're living it every day. so because there's a headline that says 7.8, it's a talking point, but they already know what their friends and neighbors are doing. >> when do we find out how romney is fun raising compared to that 180 million or whatever? >> i think if it was so par with obama's, we would have heard already. i think it's probably behind. >> you don't hear that that's unbecoming to have so much money to spend. just don't hear -- it's alway s the republicans. >> it's not decided by money. nice to have, but there is saturation information for the small number of swing voters. and even if obama beat romney by 20, 30 mi
>> i think the jack welch stuff was crazy talk. and earlier in the year when you guys were down in washington on this, joe and i talked about it, there were between points that i would make. one, nobody messes or manipulates these numbers. but, took i think we exaggerate the importance of the numbers for this reason. the people who will vote on november the 6th know what they feel about the economy already. they're living it every day. so because there's a headline that says 7.8, it's a...
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jack welch, he went to as far to suggest that the numbers may be manipulated by the obama administration. do you think that the numbers add up? >> i think the suggestion that the numbers was cooked is relatively ridiculous. that being said. economists at the labor department will admit freely that there is a lot of margin of error in these numbers. a month after each job report these numbers are revised upward or downward. the question of the number came out of the household survey, 800,000 plus number, there is a lot of margin for error, possibly as much as 400,000. that is admitted by folks within the labor department, as well. i think you can't get too hung up on the overall numbers because typically these are revised upward or downward. that tends to happen a month later when we stop paying attention. >> heather: what will the numbers do in terms of swaying voters' opinions, specifically undecided voter? do you expect to see a change in the polls as a result of this? >> it's a tough question. i generally think the jobs reports do not move as much of opinion of voting public with the
jack welch, he went to as far to suggest that the numbers may be manipulated by the obama administration. do you think that the numbers add up? >> i think the suggestion that the numbers was cooked is relatively ridiculous. that being said. economists at the labor department will admit freely that there is a lot of margin of error in these numbers. a month after each job report these numbers are revised upward or downward. the question of the number came out of the household survey,...
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jack welch, okay he is a conservative, but you still thought of him as still a pretty reasonable guy right? >> i always did yeah. he used to play golf with bill clinton. but now he's a whacko. yeah, that the obama campaign could actually doctor these numbers? come on. just accept the fact! it's working. peter is calling from miami. >> caller: hey, bill last week i wanted to talk to you when you were talking about obama and his performance, and one of the things i wanted to say is what would they have been saying if he would have been on the aggressive side, would they be saying there's the angry black guy? >> bill: you know that's what some people would have said for sure. >> caller: absolutely. but i was reading an article about the score for the obama, the deficit going down. >> bill: yeah and they always try to take the good news and turn it into bad news. >> caller: i know it's crazy. but back to the debate peter. it was not the president's best night. and certainly he has bounced back from that. >> caller: he didn't have to do that bad -- not that i thought he did bad at all but
jack welch, okay he is a conservative, but you still thought of him as still a pretty reasonable guy right? >> i always did yeah. he used to play golf with bill clinton. but now he's a whacko. yeah, that the obama campaign could actually doctor these numbers? come on. just accept the fact! it's working. peter is calling from miami. >> caller: hey, bill last week i wanted to talk to you when you were talking about obama and his performance, and one of the things i wanted to say is...
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jack welch took a look at these numbers. remember, thereof a surge in employment like we haven't seen in 30 years that was announced on friday. jack welch says, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. do you think they changed the numbers? >> i do. i do. and i think that they did a lot of those -- a lot of monkey business. i'm telling you n a month and a half from now, they will do a readjustment like has been happening for the last year and a half. they will do a readjustment and the number will be 8.2 or more. again, the 8.2, it's not a real number because people that are out of work aren't considered unemployed. >> steve: we get that. but if you're making the allegation that this administration is monkeying with the numbers to make them look good, that is very damning. >> everyone knows he didn't want to lay off certain workers in certain categories and that's been well documented and well reported that he didn't want to lay off ctain workers in certain categories u
jack welch took a look at these numbers. remember, thereof a surge in employment like we haven't seen in 30 years that was announced on friday. jack welch says, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. do you think they changed the numbers? >> i do. i do. and i think that they did a lot of those -- a lot of monkey business. i'm telling you n a month and a half from now, they will do a readjustment like has been happening for the last...